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  1. cirdellin

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    Like how the west ignored the genocide between the Hutus and Tutsis during the 90s, the intraracial murders in the US are similarly ignored as none of the US’ business. The only murders that count are white on black murders. We in the west don’t even care about Chinese on western China wholesale murder.

    No one truly dies unless whites are the murderers.
     
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  2. umpire2

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    Here are the REAL statistics, not the made-up bullshit with the numbers that do not add up in the chart above.

    In 2017, there were 987 deaths of civilians in police shootings in the United States. 20% of the victims were black. Since only 13.4 percent of Americans are black, this seems like blacks are "targeted"; however, since it is 4 TIMES more likely for a black man to be involved in crime, the number of incidents that could turn violent between criminals and police is actually much LOWER than average. Also, only 2% of black victims were unarmed. Even 2% is too much, but this is far from "genocide" as many have claimed.

    In 2018, there were 996 deaths of civilians in police shootings in the U.S. Again, 20% of the victims were black. (Same comment as above)

    In 2019, there were 1004 deaths of civilians in police shootings in the U.S. AGAIN, 20% were black. (Same comment as above)

    So far in 2020, there have been 429 deaths of civilians so far (projected to 1032 for the year). AGAIN 20% have been black. (Same comments as above).

    Do police shoot too many people? I have to say 'yes'. However, the police put their lives on the line EVERY DAY to protect ALL OF US. To disarm them and defund them in order to punish the 1/10 of 1 percent of police who might be "out of control" is not just insane, it would put the entire country at much greater risk to be victimized by the criminal elements of ALL races who would take over.

    Finally, should WHITES take to the streets rioting because 80% of the victims of police shootings were NOT black? That BY FAR, many FEWER black men are killed by police than white and Hispanic men?

    Find some way to be RATIONAL, people!

    Everything beyond the fact that George Floyd was killed by the police is either misconstrued, misrepresented or outright LIES.
     
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    1. Sanity_is_Relative
      That 20% number seems to be a constant, almost as if they have a quota system for killing blacks or that they just stop reporting over 20% for fear that people would revolt if told the truth.
       
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  3. AyaLaRoux

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    What are you even on about?
     
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  4. bigbird

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    Is it just me or does "taking a knee" seem the most inappropriate way to show support to George Floyd and his family - given he was murdered by a shit cop kneeling on his throat? Or does it make it THE most appropriate way to show support?
     
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    1. shadowfap
      It started before that with Colin Kaepernick. Might seems insensitive to some but can still can harken back to the original intention.
       
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      It would seem like taking a knee is a bad thing for some people but a very good thing for others.
       
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  5. daggabuddy

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    Here you go, a Doctor explaining why Mr Floyd died for asphyxia.
     
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      Prima jonghe.......alles goed?

      ts
       
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      Almal klaar, en met jou?
       
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      Uitsteekend......het is vrydag!

      ts
       
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  6. daggabuddy

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    uitstekende, tyd vir 'n bier.
     
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      Borreltijd jonghe!;)

      ts
       
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      Elke Vrydag.
       
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  7. AyaLaRoux

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    The road to the White House just got a fresh paint job.

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  8. shootersa

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    Talk about photo op and propaganda!

    Oh yeah. This is OK, cause it isn't Trump......
     
  9. Sanity_is_Relative

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    The 2 cops that shoved a 75 year old man to the ground causing injury have been suspended and the rest of the jack booted thugs in the unit have resigned that position because of it claiming that they were just following orders. Fucking cowards.

    Buffalo cops resign from unit in protest after two of their own are suspended for injuring 75-year-old

    Police officers suspended after video shows them shoving 75-year-old





    ALBANY, N.Y. – An entire unit of the Buffalo Police Department resigned from their assignments Friday after two officers were suspended amid outcry over video showing officers shoving a 75-year-old man to the ground, according to the Buffalo News and other media outlets.

    All 57 of the members of the department's Emergency Response Team resigned from the unit, which responds to riots and other crowd control situations, according to the outlets. The Emergency Response Team members have not quit the police department, but have stepped down from the tactical unit, the Buffalo News reported.

    "Our position is these officers were simply following orders from Deputy Police Commissioner Joseph Gramaglia to clear the square," said Buffalo Police Benevolent Association President John Evans. "It doesn't specify clear the square of men, 50 and under or 15 to 40. They were simply doing their job. I don't know how much contact was made. He did slip in my estimation. He fell backwards."

    The man who was pushed to the ground was recovering in a hospital.

    Graphic video from WBFO shows the two officers pushing the man down as he approached them in a public square around an 8 p.m. curfew Thursday. The man stumbles back and falls, and the video shows him motionless and bleeding from his head.

    Erie County Executive Mark Poloncarz tweeted Friday morning that a hospital official said the man was "alert and oriented."

    "That is better news. Let's hope he fully recovers," Poloncarz added.

    Asked about the resigning officers at a press conference that afternoon, Poloncarz said he would be "disappointed" if they had in fact resigned.

    "If they resigned, I'm exceptionally disappointed by it because it indicates to me that they did not see anything wrong with the actions last night," Poloncarz said.

    The Erie County District Attorney's Office tweeted Friday that it was continuing its investigation of the incident and that the man was unable to provide a statement to investigators Thursday night.

    The officer's actions quickly drew condemnation from around the state, including Gov. Andrew Cuomo who said the "incident is wholly unjustified and utterly disgraceful."

    During a press briefing Friday, Cuomo played video of the incident, watching it wide-eyed before questioning the officers’ actions.

    "You see that video and it disturbs your basic sense of decency and humanity," Cuomo said.

    "Why? Why? Why was that necessary? Where was the threat? It was an older gentleman. Where was the threat? And then you just walk by the person when you see blood coming from his head," he said, describing the scene.

    Cuomo also urged the mayor and district attorney in Buffalo to investigate the incident and move expeditiously towards potentially bringing criminal charges against and firing the officers involved.

    Cuomo highlighted the incidents before pushing a police reform agenda being considered in the state legislature.

    U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer called for an investigation, according to a statement reported by WIVB-TV.

    "The casual cruelty demonstrated by Buffalo police officers tonight is gut-wrenching and unacceptable," John Curr, the Buffalo chapter director for the New York Civil Liberties Union, said in a statement, adding that it should be a "wake-up call" for city leaders to address police violence.

    In its initial statement on the incident, the Buffalo Police Department said a person "was injured when he tripped & fell," WIVB-TV reported. A later statement posted on the department's Facebook page said two officers had been suspended without pay and an internal affairs investigation was underway.

    Mayor Byron Brown said in a statement that he and the city's police commissioner were "deeply disturbed by the video." Brown also confirmed the officers' suspension and internal affairs investigation.

    "After days of peaceful protests and several meetings between myself, police leadership and members of the community, tonight's event is disheartening," Brown said.

    Brown released a statement Friday saying that the city was aware of "developments related to the work assignments of certain members of the Buffalo police force."

    Contingency plans were in place to ensure public safety, Brown said.

    Five protesters were arrested for disorderly conduct, according to NBC affiliate WGRZ-TV. None of the police officers seen in the video has been criminally charged.

    The Buffalo Police Department and the New York State Police did not immediately respond to USA TODAY's requests for comment on Thursday.

    The injured man was later identified as Martin Gugino, a veteran peace activist involved with the Western New York Peace Center and Latin American Solidarity Committee, said Vicki Ross, the center’s executive director.

    “I can assure you, Martin is a peaceable person,” Ross said. “There is no way that he was doing anything to accost or hurt. He made a judgment to stay out after the curfew because he feels that our civil liberties are so in danger, which they most certainly are.”

    Ross said Gugino has been undergoing chemotherapy for cancer.

    The incident comes after more than a week of protests against police brutality following George Floyd's death in Minneapolis. Floyd, who is black, died after now-fired police officer, who is white, pressed his knee into Floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes as other officers stood by.

    Since Floyd's death, which has been ruled a homicide, protesters nationwide have decried police brutality and racial inequality. Some protests have been marred by violence and looting, and police have been caught on camera multiple times using force against protesters – including peaceful ones.


    Group getting larger in Niagara Square in Buffalo - probably close to 75-100 people now.

    In Buffalo, protesters gathered Friday morning outside City Hall, where Gugino was pushed, to call for change. The crowd grew throughout the day and made its way across the street.

    "I hope to continue to build on the progress we have achieved as we work together to address racial injustice and inequity in the City of Buffalo," Brown said. "My thoughts are with the victim tonight."
     
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  10. latecomer91364

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    Nobody likes to see that, and those officers deserved to be suspended, at the very least.

    I'm just not sure when this became the

    "can US police officers still shove old white men down with impunity ?"


    thread...
     
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    Maybe we should just start one on police abuse of power in general
     
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    "Our position is these officers were simply following orders
    from Deputy Police Commissioner Joseph Gramaglia to clear the square,"
    said Buffalo Police Benevolent Association President John Evans.

    "simply" being the key

    Police Benevolent Association ,

    kinda says it all really.

    The attitude that is THE problem.

    Any brutality is ok if you're following borders.

    They all clearly think they should have impunity ,
    or
    they have got no balls
     
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      If you want talk about police brutality you have to start a new thread.
       
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    Thank you. The pathologist hired to do the independent autopsy explained this during the press conference. First Floyd's airway was restricted from the knee on his neck. Then his chest was compressed from the other two officers on his back. So he could expel air to speak but could not get enough breath to replace it slowly asphyxiating him.

    And now this is another thing that needs to happen coast to coast.

    Police Chokeholds Banned in Minneapolis as Part of New Human Rights Agreement

    *One reason to be banning chock holds is because three of those officers that killed George Floyd had only been on the force for a few days and the officer with his knee on Floyd's neck was supposed to be their "trainer."

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-human-rights-agreement-bans-police-chokeholds-minneapolis?ref=home
     
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  14. Sanity_is_Relative

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    California: Vallejo police kill unarmed 22-year-old, who was on his knees with his hands up
    Sam Levin in Los Angeles
    The GuardianJune 4, 2020, 11:48 PM CDT

    long history of police violence and high-profile killings and excessive force complaints.

    Related: Black people in California are stopped far more often by police, major study proves

    “When confronted by the police, he dropped to his knees and surrendered, and they fired at him,” said Melissa Nold, a Vallejo civil rights attorney representing Monterrosa’s family. “He wasn’t doing anything to warrant it. They shot him from inside their car. What opportunity did they give him to survive that situation? … It’s egregiously bad.”

    The exact circumstances that led to the killing are unclear, and police have not yet released footage. In a news conference on Wednesday, two days after the killing, police chief Shawny Williams said officers were responding to a call of possible looting at the pharmacy shortly after midnight when an officer in a cruiser drove up and saw a dozen people in the parking lot getting into a car.

    A second officer in an unmarked car drove up and found Monterrosa, who was still on the scene, who then kneeled down and started to raise his hands. At this point, the police chief said, this officer “perceived a threat” and fired five shots through his window at Monterosso.

    The chief declined to identify the officer who killed Monterrosa, saying only that the officer was an 18-year veteran of the force. The chief also dodged questions about whether he considered the shooting to be excessive force and ignored questions from angry community members who showed up to a press conference. When asked about the merits of shooting through a window, the chief said some officers are trained to shoot through their windshields and said this was allowed under policy.

    Monterrosa died at the hospital, the chief said.

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    A memorial in front of Vallejo’s city hall bears a sign reading ‘Blacks and Brown lives matter’. Photograph: Ben Margot/AP
    The last person killed by Vallejo police was Willie McCoy, a 20-year-old who had been sleeping in his car in February 2019 when six officers fired 55 bullets in 3.5 seconds. One of the six officers who killed McCoy, a rising rapper in the Bay Area, had previously killed an unarmed man who was fleeing on his bike. Another Vallejo officer killed three men in a five-month period and was subsequently promoted.

    Vallejo, a city 30 miles north-east of San Francisco with 121,000 residents, has over the years had a significantly higher rate of killings by police than the national average and other Bay Area cities.

    Despite promises of reform in the wake of widespread scrutiny, the killing of Monterrosa and police leaders’ actions in the aftermath suggest that nothing has changed, said Nold, who has long advocated for policy shifts.

    A day after the shooting, police and other Vallejo leaders held a news conference about the ongoing protests and the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis, but refused to provide any details about Monterrosa’s killing, saying only that there had been an “officer-involved shooting” and declining to specify whether it was fatal.

    “It’s just unfathomable,” said Nold, adding that the news was devastating to many families of people killed by Vallejo police, who were trying to be optimistic about change in the city, since police had not killed anyone for more than a year.

    Even though the chief likely knew the circumstances of the killing by the time he held his first news conference, he refused to discuss it, while citizens were continuing to march for Floyd, Nold noted. “We’re protesting for a guy who lived thousands of miles away. And the day we’re marching, our own police are gunning down an unarmed man on his knees.”

    While Nold has not yet seen body-camera footage, which police are eventually required to release, and has not yet viewed Monterrosa’s body, she noted that “even their own version of the story is horrific”. The department, she said, has a track record of initially misrepresenting the circumstances of killings, which the public later learns when video is released. Even if police believed Monterrosa was involved in looting, the officers had no evidence of that when they arrived and immediately shot him, she added.

    Nold said she was anxious to learn the identity of the officer, given that the force is relatively small and she knows of more than a dozen officers in recent years who have killed more than one citizen.

    Monterrosa grew up in San Francisco, where he attended an arts high school and had previously worked at the local Boys and Girls Club, a not-for-profit.

    “He was a true native son of San Francisco and Bernal Heights,” said Jake Grumbach, a family friend, who posted a video of Monterrosa speaking at a youth program in the city, where loved ones and local residents gathered on Thursday for a vigil. “He was loved and respected by so many … There is just so much community support and solidarity.”

    Vallejo police representatives did not respond to questions.

    Adante Pointer, another civil rights lawyer who has long represented Vallejo families, said it was especially alarming that officers would kill a resident at this moment: “The eyes of the world are on policing and yet your officers still feel comfortable enough to shoot someone under what are the most questionable circumstances? If they could do this during the light of the George Floyd protests and world scrutiny, you can only imagine what they do in the dark of the night when no one is looking.”
     
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  15. AyaLaRoux

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    This stuff is getting too horrible to click the 'like' button on.
     
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    1. Sanity_is_Relative
      At least I have not posted the article out of Florida where another white cop used his knee on a black man neck during an arrest that has since been suspended.
       
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      Yeah, it's... there are videos coming out several times a day now, one worse than another.
       
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      thanks
       
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  16. ace's n 8's

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    Seems there are 2 conflicting reports running around..

    I wonder...why did the 'hired independent' examiner, not state that there were illicit illegal drugs in his system?, as the County medical examiner did.
     
  17. Sanity_is_Relative

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    Forensic Pathologist Breaks Down George Floyd's Death
    — An outside perspective on viral videos, autopsy findings, and the medical examiner's role

    On May 25, 2020, George Floyd, 46, died following his arrest and restraint, handcuffed and prone, at the hand of Minneapolis Police Department officers. Eyewitness video of Officer Derek Michael Chauvin kneeling on Floyd's neck went viral on social media. I'm first going to take you through the videos of George Floyd's death so you can see them through the eyes of a forensic pathologist. I currently perform forensic autopsies in California, and I analyze videos of officer-involved deaths as a part of that job. I played no part in this death investigation.


    Autopsy means "see for yourself" -- but sometimes the autopsy doesn't show you everything. A forensic pathologist cannot accurately determine the cause of death and the manner of death by looking at the autopsy findings alone. That's because there are several ways to kill people without causing devastating injury to the internal organs. Asphyxia from neck and chest compression is one of those ways.

    The Washington Post has video from a restaurant pointed at the street that captured George Floyd's first interactions with the police. In it, you can see two police officers. One talks to Floyd for over two minutes before he tries to remove him from the vehicle. Floyd then briefly struggles with both officers and appears to nearly collapse at 03:14- 03:17. As an officer walks Floyd, who is handcuffed behind his back, over to the wall, Floyd's gait is uneven. He is talking to the officer, and they appear to continue the dialogue as the officer assists Floyd in sitting down against the wall. The officer even makes some notes in his notepad. The officer lifts Floyd back to his feet by pulling up on his arms, which causes Floyd to grimace and turn his face toward the officer. His gait is again lurching and uneven as the two officers walk him across the road to their patrol vehicle. When they reach it, he falls to the ground for a moment.




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    Bystander video of police kneeling on George Floyd




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    George Floyd's interaction with police


    The fact that Floyd appears to be talking to the officer and the officer is taking notes suggests that Floyd is engaging in dialogue. The gait disturbance suggests that Floyd may have been under the influence of alcohol or some other drug that could affect his balance. The grimace as he is being handled suggests that the cuffs are on too tight or that he is in pain during this encounter as the officer pulls up on his cuffed arms. Here's what I don't see: I don't see someone who appears to be suffering from excited delirium when drugs of abuse can cause agitation, hyperthermia, and sudden death. Floyd is not naked or dressed inappropriately for the weather. He does not appear to be sweating profusely. He does not appear to be agitated or violent.



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    Bystander video of police kneeling on George Floyd


    A short bystander video from another perspective shows three police officers kneeling on Floyd while another stands at his head. They appear to be exerting pressure on his neck, torso, left (still handcuffed) arm, and legs. Pressure on the torso can limit chest rise, and added pressure on other parts of the body can decrease cardiac return (the volume of blood coming back from the limbs).

    Looking at a longer, unedited bystander video posted on Facebook, the first thing I notice is that Floyd's voice sounds gravelly, and he repeatedly says, "I can't breathe." EMS and police are sometimes trained that anyone who says "I can't breathe" is lying -- because if you can speak, you can breathe. This is not true, and there are many reasons why people might say "I can't breathe" and still be in medical distress. These reasons include increasing fatigue of respiratory muscles; blockage of pulmonary blood flow; incomplete airway obstruction; and acidosis, a buildup of acid in the blood which triggers an increased breathing rate and causes the sensation of shortness of breath.


    At the start of the video, Floyd has already appeared to have lost bladder function. This can be a sign of medical distress. Floyd specifically mentions "the knee in my neck," a coherent statement and not the grunting and screaming we typically hear in deaths from excited delirium. As this video starts, Officer Chauvin already has his knee pressed on Floyd's neck, and you can see that pressure is being applied to the part of his anatomy that contain the carotid arteries and jugular veins. Floyd first appears to become unresponsive at 4:01. He stops talking, his eyes close, and his face is still. Bystanders start noticing this at 4:45. At 6:58 an officer checks his pulse. Officer Chauvin's knee doesn't come off Floyd's neck until 7:55, over 3 minutes after Floyd first seems to have gone unconscious.

    The district attorney's charging documents in the case stated, "The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation," and that "Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions, and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death." In contrast, the medical examiner's first press release stated that "the cause and manner of death is currently pending further testing."

    Why the difference?

    Charging documents are usually written by attorneys based on information obtained from police officers and a representative of the medical examiner's office. They should not be interpreted as the definitive result of the autopsy, and they are frequently inaccurate. The headlines that suggested that asphyxia had been ruled out by the medical examiner were wrong.

    So were the ones that said that Michael Baden, MD, did an "independent autopsy." Baden is a retained expert and is being paid for his services by Floyd's family. He is not independent. The Hennepin County Medical Examiner, which is paid by taxpayer money, is the only independent agency here. They did the first, legally-mandated autopsy, and collected the evidence. The medical examiner's office is not an arm of law enforcement. If a retained expert finds something at autopsy that is not favorable to the client's legal case, the client doesn't have to disclose that expert at all. Everything the medical examiner does and all the evidence they collect is a public record. None of their findings, no matter what they reveal, can be suppressed.


    Furthermore, a "second autopsy" is always fraught with problems. The process of performing the first autopsy causes "autopsy artifact" -- severed blood vessels, dissected organs, and even broken bones -- that the second autopsy pathologist may not be able to distinguish from inflicted injury. When I perform a forensic autopsy on someone we suspect might have died of asphyxia, I will frequently keep the entire neck block (the windpipe, blood vessels, and surrounding organs and structures of the throat) in a stock jar in the morgue, as evidence. I may even save large sections of the heart and brain for specialized testing. These materials would not be available to a private-practice pathologist hired to perform a second autopsy.

    If Baden looked at Floyd's corpse after a thorough forensic autopsy, there would have been little left for him to examine. Keep in mind that he also does not have access to all the evidence in the case, such as the medical records, witness statements, body camera videos, or police reports.

    Following a press conference on June 1 about the second autopsy, Baden admitted that portions of Floyd's organs were indeed missing, and that he didn't have access to the results from toxicology testing. Soon after, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner issued a press release, and subsequent to that, the full autopsy report, which indicated that the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression," and that the manner of death was homicide. They listed arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease, fentanyl intoxication, and recent methamphetamine use as other significant conditions contributing to death.

    This means that Floyd stopped breathing and his heart stopped beating (cardiopulmonary arrest) because of the injury caused by his restraint in the custody of law enforcement officers, to include asphyxia from neck compression. Asphyxia means that there is a lack of oxygen going to the brain. It can happen from obstruction of the airway, restriction of breathing from compression of the neck or chest, or the prevention of blood flow to the brain by collapsing the blood vessels in the neck. It can also happen from the replacement of oxygen in the blood by carbon monoxide, or depletion of oxygen in the atmosphere, like in a fire. "Cardiopulmonary arrest" is not a heart attack. Online sources that imply that the medical examiner is covering up George Floyd's death by calling it a "heart attack" are wrong.


    The death certificate's "other significant conditions" -- Floyd's natural heart disease and the presence of drugs of abuse in his tested blood -- do not excuse the officers, nor should they cause anyone to blame the victim. They are there on the death certificate because those findings, in the opinion of the medical examiner, would have made his death more likely. They are not the cause of death. The cause of death is police restraint.

    At the end of their press release, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner adds the following important reminder: "Under Minnesota state law, the Medical Examiner is a neutral and independent office and is separate and distinct from any prosecutorial authority or law enforcement agency." Regardless of whether experts agree with their interpretation of the evidence, they were the first to collect it, and because they did their job, that evidence is now available for public scrutiny in a court of law.
     
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      Makes sense to me. I had to be certified and licensed to become an Emergency Medical Technician and Paramedic.
       
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    2. AyaLaRoux
      You'd think that stuff went without saying, huh? I'm actually surprised that this is not a requirement for police already.
       
      AyaLaRoux, Jun 6, 2020
    3. freethinker
      Lessee, it is for doctors, nurses, teachers, barbers, hairstylists...you'd think police officers would be among that group, and I believe it is in some places, not sure if it is in all.
       
      freethinker, Jun 6, 2020